The rumors and ideas about Shockey getting traded do not let up. It boils down to this- are the Giants a better team with him, OR without him plus a ~high second round draft pick? Let's analyze both camps:
CAMP 1: The Giants are better off with Shockey
1) The Giants got better w/o him because of Smith's return, Bradshaw's entry into the offense and Boss' solid play as his replacement, NOT because of Shockey's exit
2) Boss cannot block nearly as well as Shockey and he certainly is not as good in pass catching
3) The Giants offense was great w/ Manning finding his rhythm and will be unstoppable with Shockey as yet another feature
4) Boss and Shockey are a TWO TIGHT END SET that is scary good, and can give relief to the team if a WR goes down and makes that position a little thinner
5) Sean Payton knows him from his days as an offensive coordinator for the Giants (2002) and wants him for a reason- he is an ALL PRO player for a good reason
6) He is in his prime and under (a very affordable) contract
CAMP 2: The Giants are better off without Shockey
1) Eli played better because he did not have that raving lunatic in the huddle demanding the ball (The Tim Hasselbeck, Elliot W. theory espoused by many)
2) Boss is our new TE... it is inefficient to have two good TEs, so getting a draft pick for Shockey still gives us a TE presence and perhaps defense or an OL to help elsewhere
3) He gets injured often
4) Even when he is not injured he is often playing hurt at less than 100%
5) Gilbride is a moron for misusing him too much as a blocker, so take your losses, admit the inefficiency and let someone else (who expects to use him more efficiently) pay for his services so that everyone wins
6) Get something now for him while you can
7) Shockey has 'allegedly' voiced his frustration with the Giants offense to 'friends,' and you do not need that undermining your team
I asked Wonder about Shockey, and he thought that if the Giants get a tall WR at #31 like Hardy, it makes Shockey very expendable and that he should be moved (assuming they can get a good #2 pick). This makes a scenario unfold where the Giants wait for their #31 pick to arrive, and as soon as they know what position they take it will dictate whether they want the Saints' #2 pick. If the Giants are secretly coveting a WR or TE in R1 (OR, just as importantly if one falls to them value-wise), it would make sense to hold off any Shockey trade until that objective is met. I am in Camp 1.. I do not agree with trading Shockey. But if the Giants do want to move him, they are smart in waiting until the draft to see what other variables they can determine before making that decision.
Thursday, April 24, 2008
Jeremy Shockey trade ???
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Didn't Shockey (and most of the rest of the Giants' offense) hate Sean Peyton's system? None of them were ever able to figure out the sets, and there was always too much motion.
The guys on ESPN are trying to play up the notion that Shockey 'wants to be reunited with Peyton' But that doesn't make sense to me, since I don't remember Shockey ever being a big fan of that system.
Am I (as Roger Clemens would say) misremembering?
Payton and Fassel had the 2002 juggernaut offense, the best offense I have ever witnessed for the Giants in all my years as a fan dating back to the late 1960's. Shockey had ~900 passing yards as a rookie, and loved the freedom he was given by Fassel (and Payton) to just go out there and catch balls. Payton is no dummy. Payton understands that you have to manage stars like this, and he learned from the master, his boss in Dallas, Bill Parcells. Payton will do what Bill did.. he will make a deal with Shockey that works like this: I get the ball to you, you keep quiet, don't show up my QB, catch the ball and get me TOUCHDOWNS. LT fell asleep in meetings and Parcells did not care because he made a deal with LT which LT honored. This is the way you have to work with prima donas. You let them deliver on Sundays and as long as they do they can get to do whatever else they want. Shockey is a Maserati being asked to pick up fares in Midtown traffic. Payton 'gets it' and that is why there may be a deal.
good post. Please do not call Gilbride a moron. It is not Gilbride's fault, Shockey is used primarily as a blocker. Gilbride is not the head coach. Coughlin is the decision maker. Gilbride does not have the power to override his boss. It is Coughlin's team, if you would like to place blame. Blame it on Coughlin.
Daniel:
No, the players did not hate Peyton's system. His system was not a good fit for a young team. Recall, most of the players on the line were young and playing new positions. ie. Chris Bober a tackle who converted to center.
Peyton used a lot of motion and formation changes. This confused the guys. When the Giants lost to the expansion Texans (after the loss the Giants were 6-6), Fassel took over the play calling and dummied down the offense. He had them line up and start the play.
Andy: Yes, the Giants had a potent offense.(yardage wise) However, they could not score points. It was not until (your favorite Giant Coach){sarcasm} Fassel took over the play calling after the Texan game. The Giants won the last 4 games and everything began to click on offense.
be well.
I love Wonder!
Glenn W.
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