Marvelous saw a lot of Phillips in college: "Very in and out player, did not play hard enough. He has the tools, can be physical, can be a very good player, but he did not play hard every game. Fast, hitter WHEN HE CONCENTRATES. Needs to grow up, a good body, no injuries, he can play, smart, the only thing he is which is negative is that he does not play every game. IF he plays 100% he will be very good for us."
The operative word here is IF. This is why I would have liked Devin Thomas, and I am not a WR round 1 guy.
Marvelous: "It could have been worse, we could have taken Connor. I would have taken Groves over Phillips because we needed Safety AND Linebacker."
Saturday, April 26, 2008
Marvelous comments on Kenny Phillips
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The Giants don't want Tracy Porter, right? If they were going to trade Shockey for NO's R2 pick (plus other picks/players, obviously) the Saints would have taken Hardy, Groves or someone else, right? Not Tracy?
One would think.
And the 'Hawks just got a TE, so unless there's a sleeper team, we're stuck with Shockey.
I'm dissapointed.
why would you be disappointed by that? Shockey is an incredible TE. I don't know what everyone's problem with him all of a sudden.
Well, first of all, it's basically become public that he doesn't like his role on the team and is half demanding a trade.
Secondly, as I wrote in a comment on this blog the other day:
It pains me to say this because I’ve always loved the guy, but I disagree with you about Shockey.
Losing him was addition by subtraction: It gave Toomer and especially Smith a bigger role in the offense. Both of these guys responded and were absolutely huge in the postseason.
Shockey plays as hard as anyone and has been an emotional leader at many points since he joined us in ’02. But he’s also a whiner with a huge ego.
Now, this set of attributes doesn’t necessarily make him a bad guy to have on your team – there are certainly worse qualities football players can have. But the fact is that our quarterback went from being below-average to excellent right about when Shockey went down (the Buffalo game, in which Eli was horrible, notwithstanding.) Did Eli suddenly improve because Shockey was out? I don’t know. But, like, that's what happened.
Going forward, we have enough targets for Eli in Plax, Smith, Toomer, and Boss (and possibly Moss), a group with which Eli showed more chemistry any group that included Shockey.
Adding Shockey to that mix will produce a very marginal upgrade at best. Whatever contribution we get from Shockey will be to some degree subtracted from the contributions from the others. As with scorers in basketball, you get diminishing returns with talented receivers in football – there is only one ball.
The blocking advantage you get with Shockey over Boss is obviously considerable (Yes, you could always say “Matthews,” but then the pass-catching advantage you get is considerable). But just as Shockey evolved into a good blocker, can’t we assume that Boss will improve enough to cut into this advantage over the next couple of years?
And is this blocking upgrade worth Shockey’s salary, the possibility that he’ll mess up the chemistry in the passing game, and a Saints second round pick, or whatever else we can get for him?
I say no.
Wonder liked Porter.
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