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Saturday, September 26, 2009

Tampa Bay notes

Out:
Canty, Sintim, Ross, Nicks, Ware

Questionable:
Tuck, Hixon, Dockery, Koets

Probable:
Manningham

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Ultimatenyg (Burned Out, 5 stages of Grief Depression stage) Preview: Giants -7

Showtime Phil Simms:
Simms takes NY Giants
Simms praised the Giants offense, which "can do just about anything" (except score in the red zone), can still rush the passer and Leftwich holds the ball too long. Sapp does not understand what has happened to the DBs/defensive schemes of Tampa.

12 comments:

Pastime Princess said...

Andy
When Plax went out last year I was screaming to anyone and everyone that we where in big, big trouble. I don't even remotely feel that way about Phillips. He is a luxury, not a necessity. If Tuck goes down we are in trouble. He is the only person on the D that can't be replaced.
The O is no longer dependent on one wide receiver to force double coverage and prevent the other team from putting 8 in the box. We take what the D gives us and we can make them pay with big play after big play. If Snee or Ohara or Dhiel goes down then worry, but until that happens don’t sweat it.
I know you know all this but maybe hearing it might help.

Andy F. said...

Because we are 2-0 and face 3 bad teams the next 3 weeks, we have this incredible luxury of time to heal and correct mistakes. In that sense, you are 1000% correct that we CAN get past the Phillips loss. But the margin for error has been reduced significantly.

How much confidence do you have in Michael Johnson/ CC Brown/ Aaron Rouse to help us back there? I should rephrase- to "NOT HURT US" BACK THERE? I will remind you of a play in 2006 when we were in very good shape and then it all went to pot... We are beating the Bears on Monday night, they have the ball with a 3rd and ~20 yards and run a draw or some kind of handoff designed to get 10 yards and keep them from turning over the ball. Will Demps (OUR SAFETY) misses a key tackle, they convert the backbreaker, go on to win that game, and we were never the same. Injuries did us in that year. Tuck. Strahan. Arrington. We had a shot after beating DAL in DAL, ATL in ATL, but it all went south. The Giants got rid of Demps, got healthy, had a good draft and won a Super Bowl. Having good Safety play is still going to be needed. So losing Phillips is not small. Bottomline: we cannot afford more people lost to injury. If all the walking wounded get back to 100%, then maybe gtg exposed by Safety is not a BIG problem. But until everything else gets fixed, it's just one more thing that is currently a weakness for this team.

Mitch said...

PP...

Yes you are right to a degree with the loss of Phillips.

But the Giants coaching staff was pretty certain that Phillips was on his way to becoming an elite Safety.

His quick lateral movement combined with his ball hawking and sledgehammer hits is what excited them most.

It is a very big loss, but I will still wear my 21 Jersey all season.

Mitch said...

Paul Dottino was speaking to Richard Neer on WFAN this morning. He has stated that Ramses Barden has practiced all week with Eli Manning with "one on one" fade routes, and suggests that this "may" be the week that Barden appears in our Red Zone Offense.

Let's hope he is ready and most of all that TC thinks he's ready.

Andy F. said...

A couple more successful fade routes and other forms of red zone conversions can make up for the blown tackle by a Safety that costs us a TD. The offense must carry the team while the defense gets healthy.

Bob said...

I am also disgusted and feeling down re the injuries. However, being 2-0 in the division has a soothing impact on my battered psyche.

I have a number of concerns re Sunday's game. Tampa ran all over Dallas, we had difficulty. Dallas ran roughshod over us. 90 degree heat, only 3 DT's to rotate. We are coming off a difficult emotional win. Tampa is 0-2, backs against the wall & at home. Could be a difficult game.

The coaching staff needs to do a real good job to get the Gmen prepared for this.


That's one of coaching's main responsibilities, keeping the Gmen
up high for ALL the games.

Oxbay said...

Yeah, but Mitch, can he play safety?

Motown Blue said...

#58 echos some of the cocerns regarding the loss of Phillips and who fills in:

http://www.wfan.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=4046139e

We lose a player that we have hope for making a big player to CC Brown who we hope doesn't give up the big play.

Carl also bottom line points to play calling in the red zone as the main issue. Need to involve more crossing routes such as that TD to Smith at Dallas. He calls out for Boss as well. They need to attack over the LBs in the middle, as I was shouting during the live feed in the Dallas game. If they are going to be aggressive with their LBs and load the box that should leave the middle of the field available.


We get healthy and the DL performs to their billing we will mask the deficiiency at Safety. If it doesn't their margin for error will be much smaller.

Andy F. said...

what does it mean when the two leading tacklers on your team are both Safeties?!!! I know what it means- it means that the DL and LBers are not doing a good enough job and this season will be very long if that stuff doesn't stop soon.

Pastime Princess said...

Andy
Interesting you mention the Bears game. When our LT went down that game we where done. That offence was never even close to being the same after Luke Pett went down. I will never forget how in the first half we where the much better team but the lose of one player at a critical position made the entire team worse. I saw in happen in the 80’s when Bavaro when down. We when from one of the best teams in the league to mediocre in a heart beat.
Someone mentioned Bob Sanders and how, when he came back from injury, the colts won the SB. That is true but the colts defense was very dependent on Sanders, not just for his play but his attitude. I would say his on field presence was much more important to them winning then his actual play. The giants don't have that on this team. I would say the attitude of this D comes from the guy in the middle. If he goes down or Tuck goes down then someone is going to have to talk me down off the bridge but until that happens, we are the team to beat in the NFL.

Crazed Giant fan said...

I think this game will be decided by our defense stopping the run. Yes TB will test our secondary, but if we can stop the run on 1st and 2nd down and make them predictable, then we should win.

The Phillips loss is huge. Lost in his two INT game is the open field tackle he made on 3rd down in the 2nd half with Dallas inside their own 20. This was right after Tuck was tripped. That play forced the punt and the rest is history.

TB will come after us on the ground. Unless our Offense can dominate, this could be a bad game for us.

It is hard to imagine losing a 22year old budding star, but it is quite possible his career is over. This is a terrible loss. He was after all, a 1st round pick.

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