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Sunday, August 30, 2009

NYJ 27 NYG 25

There were some good things, there were some bad things, but in the end this game was not enough to make us feel that we have something special brewing this season. Not YET at least. Coughlin echoed this sentiment with a VERY MIXED review of the team's performance.

1) Mitch commented last evening that he'd rather see Mario Manningham and Hakeem Nicks line up wide and put Smith in the slot and take our chances. Interesting. VERY INTERESTING and thought provoking, to say the least. Of course we would never see that because that would require "stones." And as we have seen from the Giants too many times, they do not roll the dice. They are deliberate and patient. Riverboat gamblers they are not. They'll leave that to Rex Ryan and others to do the dice rolling.

But what of the notion of MM and Nicks? Each of these guys dropped a pass this evening. The Giants WRs dropped 6 passes that I know of. Mario Manningham may be RAW but he has the most talent of all of the Wide Receivers by a "wide" margin. We have been pointing to his play in the prior 2 preseason games:

"Good" Versus the Panthers>"Manningham- executing, got behind coverage on bomb"

Versus the Bears>"Some positives: Manningham is going to create opportunities with his separation."

And now this evening, Manningham is getting busier once again. His one drop was bad, but he looks like a bonafide threat out there. He can do major damage to a team in one on one. You cannot "teach" that.. either you have it or you do not. And Manningham has IT. What he can be taught is to correct the many mistakes we see him still make. Carl Banks was not complimentary of Manningham on one play, saying he needs to use his body to box out, not his arms. This is the raw part of Manningham. But that does not concern me. And it does not concern Mitch. He'll just get better each game and let his skills explode on the upside. The intriguing part is the break in his route- it looks like Plaxico Burress out there. The Mitch plan is bold. It is aggressive. The Giants won't do it. But they should. The reason why is that you play to win championships. Mario Manningham is a bonafide WR with star skills that can make your offense powerful. In a regular season game he will make that catch and then we will all be going gaga over him.

Hixon and Smith are 'capable.' I voted for Smith in the poll on the right. Now there is not even a question in my mind that Manningham is the one with the ability to have a breakout season. Yes, Hixon and Smith will probably start and contribute, but these guys are like Buicks compared to Manningham the Sports Car. To be fair, Smith did get behind the defense. But he pulled a Hixon, dropping the TD pass. I'd rather take my chances with the 2nd year and 1st year player dropping passes and growing big time through the season than see Smith and Hixon dropping the same passes. It seems that on almost every play I see Manningham getting separation. Smith is reliable enough- keep him in the slot and shoot the moon with your horses.

Hixon could not make one catch, it bounced off his hands into the hands of a Jet defender on the deflection. Not good. Not inspiring.

As for Nicks, same theory. Let him play. He has been making progress at the end of training camp and made more 'strides' this evening (2 TDs). On the first one, he looked like Amani Toomer, slowing down and boxing out so that he could get underneath the ball. It took Toomer three years to learn that maneuver and Nicks just pulled it off in his 3rd game of preseason. Good for him. Does he know all of the playbook and is he ready for the load of a starting job? Doubtful. WR is a very hard task for any rookie to manage. Regardless, he deserves more time.

Other quick comments:
2) We were worried about CC Brown before the game and saw only more things to be worried about. Considering that Michael Johnson is average, our safeties are thin. Absolutely no safety help on this play?
Addendum: transcript of Coughlin: "We gave up some plays in the secondary that we just shouldn't give up. The one touchdown on the crossing pattern should not have happened. It was a heck of a play by the young quarterback just to stay alive, but the receiver never should have been that open."

3) OL and Eli Manning did fine. This was a good recovery after the Bears game.

4) Carr has REGRESSED into the Texans Carr. GET RID OF THE DAMN BALL! If he is not careful the Giants will cut HIM and keep Woodson and Bomar. WOOF! Coughlin feels differently, but there continue to be some very disturbing tendencies, including taking too many sacks.

5) Gilbride/Manning threw 3 times that I saw to Boss. We see how great the Bossman is when he is thrown to in the same zip code. The offense needs to give this man so much load, it is frightening. Until opposing defenses start doubling Boss, the Giants should be using him to break the box.

6) Tynes looked good. Not worried about the miss from 50, at least he was accurate. Coughlin knows his range.. that FG kick was done intentionally to see the range.

7) Any predictability in the preseason playcalling should not be a concern just yet.

8) The Giants still have red zone woes. They got one TD because of Eli drawing DL players offsides enough times to cure what ails us. The two Nicks TDs were beyond the red zone, so it was more like the offense was 0-3, because we stalled at the 20 and 8 yd lines in Q2.

9) No big injuries as far as we are aware of. "Ware nicked up."

Summary: WR misses were troubling. Defensive backs looked out of position on a few big plays. The Giants bounced back and played a better game but Sheridan needs to iron out a few things. The Giants still have questions to answer. Like which WR to play.

9 comments:

Justin said...

The game wasn't broadcast outside NY -- did we see the screen passing you've been talking about? From what little I saw on ESPN highlights, I was very impressed by Sanchez's abilities to scramble -- and worried by the Giants secondary's inability to stay in close coverage so the DL could finally get Sanchez.

Andy F. said...

No, we did not see the screens.

When Cutler and Sanchez roll out and buy time our secondary has been vulnerable. The DE pass rush has to contain the pocket or else these mobile QBs will ALWAYS kill you.

Crazed Giant fan said...

I was at the game last night and saw some things which I wasn't to sure you could see on TV.

There were glaring instances of mistakes by the secondary. Numerous blown coverages where NOBODY was covering a receiver!!! On one third down play, Sanchez threw to Washington for an short completion and was immediately tackled. It was a good play by the guy covering him. However, the other WR lined up to that side got a free release and was totally uncovered. If Sanchez throws to him, that guy is still running.

Our LB seemed to be invisible. They were making the tackles it seemed, 3-4 yrds beyond the line of scrimmage.

For the record, the Jets left Lito Sheppard in single coverage and he had his man well covered all the time! I am not sure if this reflects on Lito or on the Giants WR's. Hixon could not shake this guy!

Manning had absolutely PERFECT throwing conditions. No wind, dry ball, calm air. And he was still inaccurate. He seemed to be overthrowing his receivers a lot.

Giants defense looks very vulnerable. Tuck and Osi were very quiet. They moved Osi inside but he didn't seem to make much of an impact.

Carr has happy feet.

I am sure as the coaches digest this stuff they will correct these mental errors.

Oh yeah, the worst mistake of all was Moss on Punt return. He is lined up to recieve the punt at the Giant 10. The ball is kicked infront of him. He calls for the fair catch, the ball lands at the 18 and gets downed at the 1! What the heck was he doing. He was afraid that he couldn't catch the ball in traffic!! He already signalled fair catch, the ball had a straight trajectory, ( I could see it because he and I were lined up in a linear fashion with the punter. It wasn't windy, it was not over his head, and he only had to move to his right 5-10 yards to field the ball. I learned alot about this guy on that play. He can't be on punt coverage. I felt good when Coughlin called him over during the subsequent stoppage of play and chewed him out. I think this guy is a bust. Cut him.

Andy F. said...

rewatching some tape now, up to 6 drops

Mark said...

I said before this game that the Giants needed to demonstrate with a genuine performance statement, somewhere during this game, that they are indeed legitimate contenders. This did not happen.
Eli was outplayed by a rookie QB, defense was hollow and poorly managed, (WhereTF is Spags?) WR's...geez like a Chinese fire drill! In short not one facet of the team's performance showed they have the stuff of champions.
Oh well...maybe this is the year we get rid of all the brain dead coaches!

Mitch said...

Hey Andy

Thanks for the support. I know it's a pipe dream at best but if the passing game flounders we might see some of it by midseason as long as Manningham & Nicks can grasp the offense and be able to block downfield for our RB's. I look at their upside and I believe like you that their potential is limitless at this point.

Just finished watching the game again...and what goes unnoticed by many people is how well Eli throws the deep pass. The play to Smith was in the air for 57 yards and on a perfect line. Too many times Eli gets criticized for so many things. I thought he should get his props there.

xtian said...

i dont think ur giving hixon enough credit, the guy can blaze, is shifty on returns, and not short. he might do well, but we'll see. as far as smith, i agree he should be a slot. i also think as the season wears on, we will see more and more of manningham and hicks.

the defense is not playing lots of starters. i'm not that worried as long as enough heal up to play. remember this is preseason.

Kruunch said...

CGF: Eli was innacurate? He was about as accurate as he's ever been in that game.

Defense is still adjusting to the new coordinator and the middle and secondary does have some glaring weaknesses. A strong pass rush hides some of them, but as pointed out a lack of pressure exposes our defense badly.

We don't have a number one wide receiver (obviously). Worse, we have a bunch of really talented guys who appear to be stepping back instead of stepping up. Lack of veteran leadership and a true #1 receiver is really telling here and is the Giants number one weak point. Conversely, a creditable #1 receiver makes us a serious Super Bowl favorite in my opinion. Don't get me wrong ... I love our receivers ... we're just missing one major piece in the receiver puzzle.

Love Carr as a back up.

Love our running backs and Danny Ware is a stud in training.

Defensive game plan worries me but I think this will straighten out.

Offensive game plan worries me as Gilbride seems to be floundering running a system he's not comfortable with (run and shoot).

Kruunch said...

Oh and loved seeing them work Jacobs out of the back field for catching. Hated watching him drop balls last year, but he's *always* open. I'm really glad to see them working on this instead of abandoning it.

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